Etienne van Heerden is one of the most wellknown writers from South Africa. Recently he published the novel 30 Nagte in Amsterdam (30 Nights in Amsterdam) in Dutch translation. He talked to Bart Luirink, editor in chief of ZAM Africa Magazine and former coordinator of the Anti Apartheid Movement in The Netherlands. Moderated by Jeroen van kan (VPRO Radio - 'De Avonden'). Van Heerden's novel is set in Amsterdam, and deals - amongst other things - with the darker sides of the Dutch resistance against apartheid in South Africa.